I think it's great that gay people now have the same opportunity to be married as straight people. This debate of "ethics" has been the same in my mind like many others (ex: abortion) in that people should be allowed to do what they want with their lives (except things like murder, that's not okay). I never understood why things like this were so controversial. Why should it matter how others want live? By expanding marriage to same-sex, it doesn't take away from the sacredness marriage had before. Marriage shouldnt be about gender, it should be about love, and when you love someone, you should be able to marry them. Religion isnt a crutch to claim homosexuality as unholy because religion is open to interpretation and is about acceptance. I remember in class one day for a discussion our teacher asked us what we thought the definition of religion was, and I believe I said something to the effect that religion is the right to believe or not believe in something based on your own personal experiences while others had more political respoonses. Either way, the only way people can move forward is to expand and not shy away from change. Without change many great things wouldn't have happened, like landing on the moon. Gay people are no different from any other human being, they have souls and hearts, filled with love, and they want to share it with someone just like straight people. Everyone wants to feel accepted and loved, and there is nothing wrong or unnatural about that.
(Side note: not that it matters but I am straight, and a complete supporter of equality, just like my bf lol d: )
As someone who is openly bisexual, and knows many people in the LGBTQIA community, I think this law is a big step forward in civil rights, and I hope many other countries will follow suit in the wake of this law. While I know this won't stop hate against the LGBT+ community, as some of these comments show, I hope it can encourage people to see that love is love, no matter what.
A lot of people say that marriage is the union of two people who wish to spend their lives together, but that's not entirely true. Specifically, marriage is either one of two things: 1) a religious ceremony in which a religious couple swear before their God to always be united, or 2) a legally binding contract enabling benefits and certain legal status. I mean, technically a homosexual couple could have legally had a wedding ceremony to dedicate themselves to one another, and no one was stopping them from living together already. What they wanted were legal benefits from being married. Now, by saying that a man and man or woman and woman can be married, the lines of what marriage are have become legally ambiguous.
The fact is, as the current law was, that if a man and woman live together for a certain amount of time, they are considered "common-law marriage," enabling certain legal rights to protect them if someone decided to suddenly ditch. They weren't huge benefits, but benefits none the less, and those benefits and terms of a common law marriage varied from state to state (for instance, in some states, all that was required was renting a room together under the same last name).
With the passing of this law, the government was able to overrule a degree of state rights (which could have seriously more repercussions than just marriage rights). Even more, since marriage can be defined as anyone can be married, there enables abuse of the legal rights system. Roommates could claim to be "married" just for the sake of reaping benefits from the government whether they are homosexual or not. The idea has already been circulating, as I saw a sitcom once portray something similar to this in which they pretended to be a gay married couple to keep her friend from being deported.
Also (the scariest part about this), as a recent article opened for debate shortly after the law was passed, because homosexual couples say that they are born homosexual and cannot choose whom they love and thus deserve certain rights--pedophiles have opened a similar case for rights as well. They claim that, because the law grants homosexuals rights, they too should be given rights because they cannot choose their sexual orientation. Psychiatrists are even asking to redefine pedophilia as an alternative lifestyle or sexual orientation. So, now THIS is a new movement that this law has actually allowed to have credibility, and a new fight is starting up. Even a lot of homosexuals are expressing disgust of the movement, but pedophiles are declaring that people harbor prejudice on them based on their sexual orientation. One Democratic representative (Alcee Hastings) even said that America should "guarantee that all Americans, regardless of...gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, or all these 'philias' and fetishes and 'isms'" be legally protected.
So, I think the legalization of same sex marriage was a bad idea that just may cause more damage than just whether or not a couple should have the right to live together because they love each other. It's taken away state rights over large goverment rule, it's made the system open for abuse, and it's given ear to pedophiles trying to obtain rights based on sexual orientation as well. That's likely just the start.
Obviously the government isn't going to say "lol yeah go f**k some 5 year olds" to pedophiles. Children are minors and should always be protected by the law. Pedophiles are (normally) adults who know the difference between right and wrong, and able to make decisions while knowing the consequences of their actions. While recent studies show that they may in fact be born that way, it will really just help to improve their treatments in regards to it.
As long as the people in a relationship are consenting adults, it shouldn't matter who they choose to have sex with, or get married to.
It's great, and a long time coming if you ask me! In this day and age I don't see a problem with it. I mean sure, I grew up in a generation where to be gay is normal, but either way. We are the only species in the world with homophobia, when nearly every species has homosexuality. Why should it be a problem? Same-sex marriage in America is brilliant if you ask me.
Argentina did it a few years back and I didn't care that much back then. Now it has happened in a foreign country and I care as much as I did before. It's great that people can decide who the heck they want to marry to. It's a basic human right, in my opinion.
Yet, my problem with this legalization regards somthing else.
It's funny that USA want to sell the image that it's the greatest democracy in the world, yet there are very basic civil right we have had in Argentina since XIX century, and in USA they're taboo, name it free education and healthcare. My aunt lives in connecticut and she usually complains that healthcare system in the States isn't as good as it should (and very expnsive). She have also admitted that treatment can be better here than there sometimes.
What I believe of the context in wich this legalization had place is that it's an Obama's demagogic measure to gain more support from the democrats and distract people of the real important matters: like the Iranian's nuclear plan or the shitty offensive against the Islamic State, wich are compromising not only the safety of the States, but the safety of the whole world. What a surprise this law is comming out when Obama is about to go. He could have done this a long time ago if it were of his true interest.
Don't be surprised that a xenophobe like Donald Trump will win elections after all of the many regretable desitions Obama has taken during his presidency. Yeah, Trump, the man who said that "Chineses are a worst threat than the Mexicans". About 90% of USA inhabitants are either Mexicans or Chinese. That man is number two in the republican voting intention. Venezuela is always blaming the USA for their own internal problems and their own corruption. Do you really want a Chavez as a president of the USA? You already chose a "Hussein", and now we have to deal with hundreds of thousands of deaths, a yihad in he whole middle east and a worldwide terrorism that's worsening all the time. Trump said that "Mexico is ruining the USA", but thanks to the USA's expansionismis that Mexico is so fucked up. There can't be a worse thing that having a superpower as the States as a neighbor. Everything the USA has to do under the table is done in Mexico, so they can pretend to be clean. Why is Mexico is biggest drug dealing nation in the world? Because USA is the biggest buyer.
To make it short: this legalization is not good, or bad. It's a mean to a political agenda. Argentina does the same. Venezuela does the same. Cuba does the same. USA does the same. Russia does the same. China does the same. An extensive historical and political education should be mandatory in every nation of the world, and we would be closer to a true democracy and not this huge lie.
It's all the same shit but with different smell. I'm kind of sick of being sold shit, but I'm even more sick of watching people gladly buying it.
I think it's great they legalized gay marriage, because it gives them the right to express their love for one another. We once lived in a world where marriage was strictly a commitment between a man and woman and it shouldn't matter who is married to who.
"One thing that I am very concerned though, is the rights of the children. Same sex people who want to have children should think of the child first, and not theirselves. " Not looking for an argument and I respect that everyone has their own opinions but I just can't agree with this. How about, as humans, we teach our children to not be inconsiderate, judgemental and hurtful towards others. It's like saying "Hmm, I like that t-shirt. That is perfect for expressing who I am... Must not wear it then in case people bully me for it" majority of people don't think like that. I should hope that they would wear it and would rather be happy as who they are.
I understand that it would be difficult for the child but it has to stop some time... It's not right to just stop the LGBTQIA community from having children because then we wouldn't make progress.
It's amazing! I can also now get married in whatever state I choose to whoever I want, if I move to America (well. I'm bisexual. But the point still stands. I can marry whoever I want.). No need to worry anymore. This decision makes me so relieved. And, plus, if I get married in my own country (UK), my marriage will still be recognized, should I go to America (or Ireland).
I'll probably get a lot of hate for saying this, but no, I don't think it's a good thing. I find homosexuality unnatural. Yes, I am lutheran which is close-ish to being Christian, I do believe in God and Heaven, but my life doesn't revolve around that at all. To me the only times I think of my religion is when I think of my mother-in-law who passed away, I like to think that she's in heaven. But that's all religious things I do, so for me to disapprove of the same sex marriage isn't because I blindly read and believe whatever the bible says. It just seems unnatural to me, I don't understand it, but I'm not one of those people who judge and yell around about it. It's my personal opinion and that's it, just as someone else's opinion is the opposite. One thing I really don't understand is that the same sex couples NEED to get married in the church when they admit that it is against their religion ? Isn't that basically offending your own religion. I had a friend who stopped talking to me after I said I disapprove of that, if you do approve of it, at least be an adult about it and respect other people's opinions. My opinion is that marriage should be between a man and a woman, but I'm fine with the fact that other people disagree with me. One thing that I am very concerned though, is the rights of the children. Same sex people who want to have children should think of the child first, and not theirselves. Especially around in a place like I live in, where men are expected to be manly etc, where a child is expected to have a mother and a father. It'd be extremely selfish and inconsiderate to go and adopt a child (I'm glad it's not legal). The child would 100% get bullied. No hate on anyone, this is just my opinion and it's not going to change. If you're homosexual and you've made it public, you should be prepared for the possible disapprovers rather than getting butt hurt.
I second your opinion about the child matter. Homosexual parents raising children would be problematic for the latter. Not because homosexuals are evil or whatever, but because society is not ready for this stuff yet.
Now... to the marriage matter.
I you believe in God, then, you believe God is absolute and rules the whole universe... then, if homosexuality is UNNATURAL: why does it even exist, if god is absolute and allmighty? Homosexuality is even practiced by other animals so... is it really so unnatural?
This either means:
a) There is no God. b) The real "God" is not the one you're talking about. c) You do not understand God's plans.
If you think this through you will realise EVERYTHING is natural. Nature is absolute, so even artificial stuff is enterely natural. Yeah, some humans came and mixed up stuff and, voila! they made something artificial. But every material they used, even their own bodies and their ideas are a consecuence of nature.
Homosexuality has been there since the cave's age. It's like a wizard from "unnatural land" came to the "natural realm" and decided to create it. People do not chose it neither.
Religious people think that because an old man came to them and read them a book called "Bible", they instantly know the truth of the universe. I think you should beg there is not a God, because if there is, you will be judged as you are judging what's natural and what's not. There is a passage form the bible: "Don't judge or you will be judged".
I think marriage is a resource invented by poeple so they could guarantee the inheritance of their descendence, and to make alliances betwen clans. If marriage was something sacred, there wouldn't be any divorces, because something sacred would be a manifest of God's, henceforth should be perfect. I don't want to believe something sacred can be as fallible as marriage is. Maybe God isn't DAT almighty... or we just do not understand him.
In my opinion marriage is just another stupid bullshit invented by humans. There is no God in marriage.
That is a very sweeping statement to think that if one believes in God, then they absolutely have no other life than following God. I believe there is something there, but I don't believe he controls everything, I even believe in the evolution theory. Can I explain how these two go together ? No, because I do not spend my time thinking about it. But to me it is a very cold and awful thought to think that there is no heaven, so I believe there is one. My way of believing is very "quiet", I don't go to the church unless someone gets married or dies etc. It's just there, I don't think about, it's not a big deal. I do not base my opinions on God or lutheranism or bible or whatever. My opinions are how I feel what is right and what is wrong, they're formed by so many factors.
And no, my comment was not to defend Christianity nor the church. I just don't get why the homo sexuals want to get married in the church so BAD if it's against the religion they believe in. That is so controversy. It's basically going against their own religion. I believe that the reason is they don't give a damn about the religion or the church, they just want to get the ceremony just like the religious people do, which is wrong. The meaning of getting married in a church has lost it's meaning because of people that do that, including hetero sexual people who just want to get married in the church because that's what people do.
No, I'm not judging anyone, I don't care if someone is gay out there, like I said I keep my opinions to myself most of the time and I am not a person who blindly follows the bible, my opinions about heaven and such is very personal. I believe in angels and heaven but that's really it, religion is such a small part of my life. No one should judge me for my opinion either, since I am not going out there hurting anyone's feelings or telling them they're doing sin. It's not my job to decide what is a sin and what is not, but I still don't see it as a thing that should happen. But it does happen so I live with it. I don't have the time nor energy to think such things all day...it's not important to me. The reason I commented in the first place was because there were mostly comments that were happy about the law, and then mocking whoever voted that it's not a good thing.
The original question wasn't about is it natural or not but about the new law in America. Well I don't think it's a good law and I'm glad my country declined it not long ago. Eventually it'll most likely be accepted here aswell. Things happen in the world but that doesn't mean everyone has to accept them, not everyone needs to have the same opinion. Everyone has a feeling of right and wrong in the inside, and my mind is saying this isn't right. I was raised that way.
To me, marriage is sacred, it is beautiful and I will only get married once with the man I love. Unfortunately that's not the case for some people. "Sacred" could be anything. It's more like what one finds sacred, I find marriage sacred and something that I value so much. Someone thinks that the church is sacred, well then it is, to them it is sacred. And because church and their religion is sacred to them, it does hurt their feelings when same sex people are getting married there.
Believing in God isn't that simple, read the bible and then believe everything there is. I don't go around thinking about God every single day praying etc. It's a very stereotypical point of view to see religious people as one big group that hail whatever they believe in. Even from a non religious point of view I would think homo sexuality is just..weird and something I do not understand. Let alone the laws, there's so much things that are more important than that. I personally was pissed off when the voting was on for the same law here in Finland because while everyone was rambling about gay rights, they cut down some child support money, great.
People always need to blame other people, you're blaming me right now for having a different opinion than you do. Yes, I admit I am a racist what it comes to gay rights, but I admit that.
I honestly do not give a damn about homos and their rights. I think is frivolous that islamic terrorism taking over the world and people is more concerned about a stupid law in the usa. Yeah, USA, no t América. South and central america is Laso América.
I've never understood all the hate in the world over this, I just don't get any of it and frankly think that people that are homophobic spend far too much time thinking about what other people do in bed and why it should bother them. You can't pick and choose who you love, it just happens, and whether that person is different or the same sex as you shouldn't matter, love is love and that's what people should focus on.
i believe gay straight whatever should be allowed to get married. I never understood why so many fought against it, yeah religious beliefs but i mean is it directly affecting you in any way why do you care what goes on in their love life? I dont know there are just so many more important things to be worrying about in my opinion somebody wanting to get married seems like a strange thing to fight against considering the passing of this was inevitable but i suppose like anything that makes sense fighting is inevitable. By the way sorry that little rant i don't typically comment alot because of those ppl that just wanna argue about anything said .
Im incredibly happy! People should be able to marry regardless of orientation. Love is love. The only thing Im worried about is bakers, florists, etc being jailed for refusing to participate in same sec marraiges. I dont think thats fair.
Love is love! There's supposed to be a separation of church and state. Marriage can happen outside of religion so why should religious rules matter? Atheists can get married, infertile couples can get married, what makes it so different with homosexuals? If it offends you, fine, but it honestly doesn't affect you AT ALL and being a retarded bigot about it is just sad.
I am LDS, so obviously I am not lesbian. I might get a lot of hate for saying this, but it just seems strange to me. A bit unnatural, if you will. I don't really understand why people do it.
But, on the other hand, I'm not going to dis it just because I don't understand it. I'm happy for the people who are homosexual. I'm glad they can finally marry and follow what they believe in. Everyone has their own opinions, and I happily accept all of them. If they say they're in love, I believe them. And if they're in love, they should be allowed to marry.
On the subject of homophobes, I think most of them can be pretty rotten. Just because someone is different than you/ has a different opinion than you, doesn't mean you can pick on them because you think their lifestyle is inferior to yours. For example, I hate chicken pot pie. Just because I hate chicken pot pie, doesn't mean those who love it can harass me for it. That's just pointless. Their harassing me isn't going to make me like chicken pot pie. It might scare me into faking it, but it won't change who I am.
I think a lot of people are homophobic because they don't understand homosexuality. Let me tell you, you don't have to understand something to accept it! Of course, you don't have to support it either. Just accept that it's a part of life now and move on. Life's too short to waste time trying to pick out all of the confusing things and make them go away.
I hope I didn't offend anyone XD Please know that I absolutely am not trying to discriminate against anyone or hurt anyone.
To understand homosexuality, think of things this way: You love a person a lot, just like a straight person would, but they happen to have the same genitals as you. And as for it being "a bit unnatural"...lions are one of the most commonly homosexual animals
Your comment was not discriminatory at all. Your's is a pretty standard view that most people share - lol, no fence-sitting as far as I can tell. You don't have to understand where people get their jollies - all that matters is that people don't hurt one another and gay marriage hurts no one.
This sentence though: "I am LDS, so obviously I am not lesbian." There is nothing obvious about it at all. LDS is a choice. Being a lesbian isn't. I'm sure there are many, many lesbians who are LDS (secretly or not).
I see where you're coming from XD what I meant is that I'm LDS by choice. The LDS community absolutely does NOT accept the idea of homosexuality (although I wish they did, I feel bad for all the lesbian/gay people being discriminated against) and I don't think people would join the church and face such discrimination. Or at least, I hope they wouldn't. It saddens me because our church is supposed to accept everybody. Now that you point it out, though, they'd be discriminated against wherever they went, so I guess it wouldn't really be much of a difference. It hurts me how rude people can be to others. Thank you for pointing out my mistake ^^ it's always nice when people kindly point out mistakes like this, now I can learn from and ponder on it. (I'm such a cheese ball lol)
I only mentioned the discrepancy because I was raised Catholic - another denomination that denounces the inclusion of LGBT people. I had a friend who was openly gay around his friends but was under a lot of stress around his family and church. He couldn't leave/hurt his family and they were tied to the church community. This sickened me so much that it is one of the primary reasons for my switch to atheism (a much larger topic, of which this is just a facet). A lot of people would rather look for happiness from their community instead of happiness within being true to themselves - and such grievous, self-inflicted cognitive dissonance is painful to watch. It's a real thing for a lot marginalized people.
I'm Christian, and I support it, and yet a lot of Christians I know are homophobes. So I'm doing the best I can to stick it to them. I've seen all these articles about how Christians are supposed to react and I just don't get why we can't all just accept it and move on. Some people love the opposite gender, some people love the same. Some people believe in God, others don't. We shouldn't treat anyone differently because of who they love.
Let people love who they want.. I'm just not a fan of the parades or the flags.. that's gay privilege not equality. It would be equal if straight people had parades and flags as well. Hates arises when you try to shove things in other peoples faces.. just be you and respect other people and their own preferences.
Wedding is just a ritual. If homosexuals had always been in a sort of opposition to the conservative part of the society, why wish for a formal approval through (atleast traditionally) a relligious ritual? Like it's going to make them normal. They are not and will never be. And that's perfectly fine. Being different is not neccessarily a bad thing. I'm not against same-sex marriage. But, if I were a gay or bisexual, I wouldn't seek for a formal approval of my relationship. It's none of society's or church's business. I think, if a person loves another person, those feelings should be enough. Only those who have doubts about their relationship or future, need a label, ceremony and pieces of metal around their fingers.